Help with old crochet pattern

Shellyone wrote

on Aug 23, 2012 11:19 AM

Hi , I am new to this forum and need help with an old crochet pattern . I am also fairly new to crocheting as well . I have been crocheting a baby jacket and have got on really well with it until it came to the sleeve .

The pattern states the following .

Work inc.sts.on 1st patt. Rows in tr.until3 sts. Have been inc.at each side,and then taking them into patt.,inc.1st .as before at each side of every alt.row until there are 49 sts.,then work straight until sleeve seam measures approximately 5 and half ins .,ending with a 1st patt . Row and omitting turning ch.at end of last row 

I don't seem to be able to get the right amount of stitches(49) .obviously iam not reading the pattern correctly .

Can anyone help 

Shellyone 

DeLaCroche wrote

on Aug 23, 2012 11:35 AM

Is that exactly how the pattern instructions are written?  

"Rows in tr.until3 sts."  ?

DeLaCroche wrote

on Aug 23, 2012 11:38 AM

Also, what are the beginning instructions for the sleeve.  Is this sleeve just a continuation or is it actually crocheted separately and set in the arnhole?

Shellyone wrote

on Aug 23, 2012 11:49 AM

The sleeve is crochet separately .

The beginning is a chain of 33 with 6 rows of d.c.

Then a 1 tr. in 2 nd st,. 2 tr. in next st., ( 1 tr.  in each of  next 6 sts., 2 tr . In next st.) 4 times ,1 tr . In last st., turn with 3 ch ( 37sts.) 

Work first patt. Rowan's on back 

Shape sides by inc . As follows 

Next row -- 1 tr. in1st st.,1 tr. in each following st., 2 tr.in top of 3 ch 

Then it continues as I wrote in the first post . 

The part you queried is  until 3 st . 

Hope this makes sense 

Thanks 

Lily313 wrote

on Aug 23, 2012 5:33 PM

Hi, I have been crocheting for  more than 60 yrs.    It sounds to me like you are only off by one or two stitches.

I would add one stitch to each side, on the last two rows.     It will be covered up in the seam anyhow;

and it will not throw you pattern off.     I write my own patterns,  and I just make them to fit the person.

Lily313 wrote

on Aug 23, 2012 5:33 PM

Hi, I have been crocheting for  more than 60 yrs.    It sounds to me like you are only off by one or two stitches.

I would add one stitch to each side, on the last two rows.     It will be covered up in the seam anyhow;

and it will not throw you pattern off.     I write my own patterns,  and I just make them to fit the person.

Shellyone wrote

on Aug 23, 2012 11:36 PM

Lily313 thank you , but do you think you could help me with the way it's written as I don't actually understand what I have to do . I have tried many times ,but don't come near the 49 stitches I need . 

I would hate to have to give up at this point .i have the rib and 2 rows done and then it all goes pear shaped . Thanks 

Shellyone 

DeLaCroche wrote

on Aug 24, 2012 11:58 AM

OK, Shelly, I'll see if I can work this out this afternoon.  I spend a lot of time 'translating' vintage crochet patterns into understandable instructions.  I would love to see this pattern as I especially like to collect patterns for baby clothes.

DeLaCroche wrote

on Aug 24, 2012 1:42 PM

I think the count they give you in the first place is wrong.

Diagramming always helps me when these things don't work out.

If you start the sleeve by chaining 33 (and you don't count the last 3 chains AS the turning chain, this is what you get to Row 7:

0 = Chain;  8 = a turning chain of 3 or 4 chains;  T = double crochet;  F = treble crochet

By the time you get to Row 7, you should end up with 38 sts because 33 plus 5 increases = 38 sts

Sorry, don't know why those turning chains don't line up better... guess Excel doesn't copy over all that well.  

But you can see the problem in that the pattern has given you the wrong number of stitches at R7.  Does this solve your problem?

DeLaCroche wrote

on Aug 24, 2012 1:48 PM

Going on in the pattern you wrote that the next instruction is:

"Work first patt. Rowan's on back " 

I assume that this refers to whatever special pattern is being repeated here from the cardigan.

Does that pattern work into the 38 stitches you have at the end of Row 7 or not?

What do you think that quotation means, btw? "Work first pattern row?"  Or is it really "Work first pattern Rowan's on back"?  What does that mean?

Shellyone wrote

on Aug 24, 2012 11:52 PM

Hi thank you for taking the time to do this . 

After row 7 I have 37 stitches . "The work first pattern row on back  " refer to is

1 tr.in 1st st.,miss2 st., * 3 tr, in next st .,miss 2 st.,rep.from *to end,2 tr.in top of 3 ch turn with 3 ch . After which I still have 37 stitches . The pattern after this I don't seems to be able to increase as they want to the 49 stitches . 

This pattern is over 40 years old . It has patterns for too baby jackets and I have manage to do the first one , which gave me no problems , but this second one at the sleeve stage has me baffled . 

DeLaCroche wrote

on Aug 25, 2012 4:59 AM

I actually love these old patterns but if you had to build a house with some of their instructions,  it would be one strange looking house.  

I guess you need to go back to either the beginning (I know, groan) and make sure you maintain the initial 33 stitches to then increase to 38 by Row 7.

I'll diagram out the rest with the next instruction you provided.  

I'd really love to see this piece when you are done.  Can you upload a photo when you finish it?

Shellyone wrote

on Aug 26, 2012 1:43 AM

Thank you for your help DeLaCroche . I have managed to finish the sleeve , but the only problem is it has more rows that the back or side panels . Could this possibly be right ?

Also,can you give me any tips on how best to sew the jackets up ?

I would be glad to post pic when I get finished . 

DeLaCroche wrote

on Aug 26, 2012 12:14 PM

It could be right if the length of the sleeve is what the pattern calls for.  

I might be confusing it with another pattern but didn't this one say to crochet the sleeve until it was a certain number of inches long?

I'd love to see a photo when you're finished!